05-21-2010, 02:43 AM
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As we all know, the hype that PUA companies use to sell their products is bullshit. A 5'4" Asian nerd isn't going to leave the club with two 10s on his arms every night of the week. The instructors themselves have ugly girlfriends.
What is the realistic level of success an average guy can achieve? 5 new girls a year? Being able to pull slightly attractive women?
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05-21-2010, 02:47 AM
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Realistically, you'll find a girl who's physically attractive enough that you'll enjoy fucking AND a fucking awelsome personality that you really like. If you make this a goal, it's definitely achievable and will bring you a lot more happiness.
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05-21-2010, 02:50 AM
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That all depends on what resources you were born with and your determination, basically what you have to work with in setting your goals.
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05-21-2010, 02:58 AM
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One of the problems with the pick up industry are the overhyped results you are expected to get. This makes you constantly be thinking you are a "failure" of a man if youre not having threesomes with catwalk models. The reality is that very few people who aren't loaded, or famous can achieve such things, and if you measure yourself against those standards, you'll be forever depressed (and constantly buying more PU products, which is what they want)
Normal guys only have sex with a handful of girls in a lifetime. Generally speaking, people hook up with people who are their equal in terms of attractiveness. If you are more attractive than average, it means youll probably hook up with more attractive than average girls. If youre in the top 1%, youll get with the top 1% of girls. The same for if you are below average. The principles of attraction are laced up mainly in physical attractiveness. It is especially true for girls. With guys, being physically attractive is the main thing, but other aspects not physical like confidence, money, etc also add to it.
It all depends on where you are seen on the spectrum with other men. If you know where you stand, in this case; "average", there is no reason you cant get laid by a good load of average girls. The quality of girls is harder to control without increasing your own attractiveness. You can increase it (not through PU), by sorting out your looks in the gym, and wardrobe department. The quantity you can increase by spending more time pursuing them if that is your goal. You are right though. If youre an average guy, dont have your heart set on hooking up with models every night. Either become a model yourself, or win the lottery if you want that
These are general principles, over the long term. There are always odd exceptions to the rule, but statistically speaking, this is the pattern hooking up follows. It is always nice when you are on the recieving end of an anomoly though (of the good kind...not getting with a girl below your level...that sucks)
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05-21-2010, 03:44 AM
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K, what sound does an elephant make?
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05-21-2010, 04:41 AM
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you have a point brotha
i live in san diego and every time I see a hot girl, she is either with tall good looking guy, or an average guy who has a lot of money/confidence/status/good personality/etc.'
you will seldom see a hot girl with a 5 foot 5 ugly dude.
exceptions to a rule doesn't prove a point
quality post
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05-21-2010, 06:53 AM
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I dont know man, im average 6,1. i can attract 10s, can i sleep with them though, well... i can try.
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05-21-2010, 07:22 AM
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You're average and you can attract 10's, but you can't sleep with them?
Doesnt that just prove my point? Anyone can "attract" a 10 (or whatever you deem that to be) Personally, I would say the real test of if they're sexually attracted to you is they sleep with you. In your case it seems they aren't. Don't get me wrong, theres nothing wrong with shooting for the stars. Always try it with a girl out of your league if you thnk youve got a chance. My post was just more an observation of how things work out, rather than advice for a specific person to take.
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05-21-2010, 08:39 AM
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I mean im average looking, i had body language training, work out, dress well, a cool confident guy, quite funny, so i guess what i was trying to say was an average guy with a great amount of work can go along way, insecurities were the only thing holding me back from getting those 9s and 10s because if there attracted to you there no longer thinking "im not going to sleep with him because hes not goodlooking" there more thinking, this guy makes me feel good, so if a chinese short guy gets attraction thats basically it, hes probably got a date, but like you said other things are harder, but a small chinese guy with crap confidence dress style charisma doesn't stand a chance. So your right i think, but i was trying to approach from another angle and show it can work just in case new members think "oh im average looking i dont stand a chance". They can change themselves.
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05-21-2010, 08:45 AM
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Realistically I think any guy can pick up 4+ girls per week at urban parks when the summer is nice....with NO GAME whatsoever, just common sense.
Fuck going to clubs...if you aren't already consistent at clubs, you won't get there. It would be like Michael Jordan spending all his time in minor league baseball rather than playing basketball.
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05-21-2010, 08:55 AM
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I have no game and no common sense. Please tell me how this is done
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05-21-2010, 09:03 AM
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I will tell you what I had some success with. It requires some confidence and basic conversational skills.
Stroll up to your local urban park (if you live in the burbs, maybe a town center with a common area) preferably around 5:30-7 PM (after work) on a nice day. Locate a girl you like sitting by herself reading, having a coffee, or texting who looks fairly relaxed.
Go up to her and be polite, sorry for interrupting, etc, but you thought she was cute and wanted to meet her. Introduce yourself. Ask some basic questions or perhaps talk about what she's reading. Before the convo stalls, say you gotta go but you'd like her number so you can get a drink sometime.
If you do this correctly, you should nearly always get a phone number. In my experience, about 50% would follow through with the actual date.
P.S. Girls I have done this too compliment me on my confidence even if it doesn't work out. I think it works well not because you are some suave, charming player, but because guess who hangs around in urban parks after work - SINGLE WOMEN looking to meet men. The taken women and suburban snoozefests go home straight after work.
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05-21-2010, 09:06 AM
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